Mikes, It would be great if you two could get together on the instructions, so Kub's instructions follow Kop's instructions exactly, except where divergence for FreeBSD is required, eg, the chroot dir and case: Kub: /var/chroot/AVP Kop: /var/spool/avp This would avoid us lamers from having to cross-check Kub's against Kop's to make sure all is done and "correctly". Len