[rbldnsd] OT: DHTML in 1994 (was: Re: how to make public (DNS)RBL?)

[Chris.]

On Sat, 16 May 2009 19:51:11 -0400, Steven Champeon wrote...

> 
> OK, I can't resist.

I was afraid of that. }:-)
> 
> on Sat, May 16, 2009 at 08:49:54PM +0000, Chris. wrote:
>>> On Sat, 16 May 2009 12:31:31 -0400, Steven Champeon wrote...
>>>> /me resists urge to also school you on DHTML, which is not the same
>>>> as Javascript, and certainly wasn't around in 1994. ;)
>> 
>> P.S.
>> ...and I'll refrain from the /overwhelming/ urge to rebute your
>> insinuation to the contrary. ;)
> 
> Heh. Well, I have been working with SGML and Web technologies since
> 1993, and I can tell you with certainty that there was no "DHTML" in
> 1994. I wrote my book, "Building Dynamic HTML GUIs", in 1997-1998;
> although you could do some stuff with the Netscape Layers DOM in 1996,
> Javascript wasn't even introduced until December 1995. Internet
> Explorer didn't have JScript support until 3.0, released in August
> 1996. As DHTML refers to the intersection of Javscript, markup, and
> CSS, you're really looking at 1997 before there was sufficient
> cross-browser support for the basic functionalities (despite the
> nightmare of incompatibilities, resolving which took up a good chunk
> of my book) of DHTML for it to be considered as having "arrived" in
> any meaningful sense.
> 
> So, you'd be hard pressed to be doing any script-driven HTML in the
> browser in 1994. And as client-side script-driven interactivity is
> what most people are referring to when they say "DHTML", I stand by
> my assertion that you're off your nut. :-)

DOH! Ya got me!

Frankly, I was doing it all from memory, and like I've been saying,
sleep isn't something I've been seeing alot of lately.
I was working from reference to the original Netscape/Sun coalition
and their reference guides/books. I have all of the original copies
(web, as well as softback versions). I could have /sworn/ when I was
responding to the thread that it was earlier than you said. But as
I currently maintain the largest archive of Netscape products on the
web, I had a look at the dates of the files (dates preserved too!)
and I see your right - late '96. Crow sure tastes like $#!t. >:-)

> 
> As for "Web 2.0", that's a marketing term, or as Neil Stephenson
> would say, "bullshytte", and if there's any hard kernel of truth
> in it it would have to be formed around AJAX, Asynchronous Javascript
> and XML, support for which didn't arrive in IE until 5.0, in 1999.

Fair enough, but most of the Web 2 I encounter are simply /poorly/
written libraries (archives/compilations) that attempt to sap every
last tic out of your CPU, and aren't very quick either. But your
right, I also encounter a few with xmlrpc client/server action(s).

Lastly, I was largely referring to the libraries built against
Netscape's DOM.

On an aside; did you know back in the old IE days you could format
a windows hard drive with Javascript running in the IE client.

Ahh, NO, I'm /not/ going to further defend, nor remark on it.

I'm done here - well, with the OT anyway.

EOS (End Of Subject)

Take care,
 Chris out...

> 
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